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Is there any way I can create a grace note after the regular note?</p> <div class="forum-topic-navigation clear-block"> <a href="http://musescore.org/en/node/1462" class="topic-previous" title="Go to previous forum topic">‹ What is the font of the music notes?</a> <a href="http://musescore.org/en/node/13814" class="topic-next" title="Go to next forum topic">How do I use... ›</a> </div> </div> <div class="links"> <ul class="links inline"><li class="first last comment_forbidden"><span class="comment_forbidden"><a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/login?destination=comment%2Freply%2F13800%23comment-form">Login</a> or <a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/register?destination=comment%2Freply%2F13800%23comment-form">register</a> to post comments</span></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div id="comments"> <a id="comment-47473"></a> <div class="comment odd"> <div class="commentTitle"> <a href="http://musescore.org/en/node/13800#comment-47473" class="active">Not that I know of. Instead,</a> </div> <div class="submitted"> Submitted by <a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/9420" title="View user profile.">Marc Sabatella</a> on November 23, 2011 - 5:17am. </div> <div class="content"> <p>Not that I know of. Instead, create a regular note in the desired position (in another voice if necessary), mark it invisible, and attach the grace note to that.</p> </div> <div class="links"> <ul class="links"><li class="first last comment_forbidden"><span class="comment_forbidden"><a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/login?destination=comment%2Freply%2F13800%23comment-form">Login</a> or <a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/register?destination=comment%2Freply%2F13800%23comment-form">register</a> to post comments</span></li> </ul> </div> </div> <a id="comment-47516"></a> <div class="comment even"> <div class="commentTitle"> <a href="http://musescore.org/en/node/13800#comment-47516" class="active">Could you be more specific</a> </div> <div class="submitted"> Submitted by <a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/18395" title="View user profile.">ChurchOrganist</a> on November 23, 2011 - 11:43am. </div> <div class="content"> <p>Could you be more specific about what you are trying to do?</p> <p>Or provide a picture of the section of score you are trying to copy?</p> <p>Normally grace notes are written before the main note, apart from a few examples of unaccented appoggiaturas which I have seen in 18th and early nineteenth century keyboard music.</p> <p>Unless you are copying from a score and wish to preserve the look, then it is preferable to write out ornaments for the sake of clarity.</p> </div> <div class="links"> <ul class="links"><li class="first last comment_forbidden"><span class="comment_forbidden"><a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/login?destination=comment%2Freply%2F13800%23comment-form">Login</a> or <a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/register?destination=comment%2Freply%2F13800%23comment-form">register</a> to post comments</span></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="indented"><a id="comment-47535"></a> <div class="comment odd"> <div class="commentTitle"> <a href="http://musescore.org/en/node/13800#comment-47535" class="active">I am guessing he means things</a> </div> <div class="submitted"> Submitted by <a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/9420" title="View user profile.">Marc Sabatella</a> on November 23, 2011 - 3:53pm. </div> <div class="content"> <p>I am guessing he means things like the final notes that are often notated at the end of a trill. See also this thread:</p> <p><a href="http://musescore.org/en/node/10039" title="http://musescore.org/en/node/10039">http://musescore.org/en/node/10039</a></p> </div> <div class="links"> <ul class="links"><li class="first last comment_forbidden"><span class="comment_forbidden"><a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/login?destination=comment%2Freply%2F13800%23comment-form">Login</a> or <a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/register?destination=comment%2Freply%2F13800%23comment-form">register</a> to post comments</span></li> </ul> </div> </div> <a id="comment-47538"></a> <div class="comment even"> <div class="commentTitle"> <a href="http://musescore.org/en/node/13800#comment-47538" class="active">What I want to achieve is as</a> </div> <div class="submitted"> Submitted by <a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/25829" title="View user profile.">ryukeumheum</a> on November 23, 2011 - 4:29pm. </div> <div class="content"> <p>What I want to achieve is as shown in the attachment. I wonder whether the difference between placing a grace note before a regular note and after it will effect the playback, or is just a perference of writting.</p> <table class="comment-upload-attachments"> <thead> <tr><th>Attachment</th><th>Size</th></tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr class="odd"> <td class="attachment-description"><a href="http://musescore.org/sites/musescore.org/files/01.jpg">01.jpg</a></td> <td class="attachment-size">4.31 KB</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <div class="links"> <ul class="links"><li class="first last comment_forbidden"><span class="comment_forbidden"><a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/login?destination=comment%2Freply%2F13800%23comment-form">Login</a> or <a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/register?destination=comment%2Freply%2F13800%23comment-form">register</a> to post comments</span></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="indented"><a id="comment-47543"></a> <div class="comment odd"> <div class="commentTitle"> <a href="http://musescore.org/en/node/13800#comment-47543" class="active">I've never seen a notation</a> </div> <div class="submitted"> Submitted by <a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/9420" title="View user profile.">Marc Sabatella</a> on November 23, 2011 - 5:28pm. </div> <div class="content"> <p>I've never seen a notation like hat before and wouldn't be sure what it was supposed to mean. I might guess it is basically an "escape tone" - the D is to be played just before th next beat. I doubtt there would be any automatic support of playback for such a nonstandard marking, but I think I'd probably just attach the grace note to the note that follows then nudge it into position and add the slur to the previous note manually,and accept whaatever playback resulted. if for spme reasn more accurate playback is desired, I'd mark that passage "0" velocity, then enter the desired playback using standard notation in another staff. I use that trick of exta playback staves pretty often. Then I generate a "print score" from that as a part that includes everything but the playback staves,</p> </div> <div class="links"> <ul class="links"><li class="first last comment_forbidden"><span class="comment_forbidden"><a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/login?destination=comment%2Freply%2F13800%23comment-form">Login</a> or <a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/register?destination=comment%2Freply%2F13800%23comment-form">register</a> to post comments</span></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="indented"><a id="comment-47560"></a> <div class="comment even"> <div class="commentTitle"> <a href="http://musescore.org/en/node/13800#comment-47560" class="active">Neither have I. It looks</a> </div> <div class="submitted"> Submitted by <a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/18395" title="View user profile.">ChurchOrganist</a> on November 23, 2011 - 8:09pm. </div> <div class="content"> <p>Neither have I.</p> <p>It looks completely wrong!</p> <p>I suspect that it is supposed to be a short appoggiatura taking a small amount of time from the note preceding it.</p> <p>Personally I would attach it to the C and then fake the slur back to the B</p> <p>Which is what Marc just said - doh!</p> </div> <div class="links"> <ul class="links"><li class="first last comment_forbidden"><span class="comment_forbidden"><a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/login?destination=comment%2Freply%2F13800%23comment-form">Login</a> or <a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/register?destination=comment%2Freply%2F13800%23comment-form">register</a> to post comments</span></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="indented"><a id="comment-47563"></a> <div class="comment odd"> <div class="commentTitle"> <a href="http://musescore.org/en/node/13800#comment-47563" class="active">I'm quite sure it isn't a</a> </div> <div class="submitted"> Submitted by <a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/25829" title="View user profile.">ryukeumheum</a> on November 23, 2011 - 8:44pm. </div> <div class="content"> <p>I'm quite sure it isn't a occasional error, because this sort of stuff appears many times in several different scores. By the way, these scores are reconstructed ancient Chinese scores(about 12th,13th century AD).</p> </div> <div class="links"> <ul class="links"><li class="first last comment_forbidden"><span class="comment_forbidden"><a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/login?destination=comment%2Freply%2F13800%23comment-form">Login</a> or <a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/register?destination=comment%2Freply%2F13800%23comment-form">register</a> to post comments</span></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="indented"><a id="comment-47579"></a> <div class="comment even"> <div class="commentTitle"> <a href="http://musescore.org/en/node/13800#comment-47579" class="active">Amazing :) Eastern music is</a> </div> <div class="submitted"> Submitted by <a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/18395" title="View user profile.">ChurchOrganist</a> on November 24, 2011 - 12:11am. </div> <div class="content"> <p>Amazing :)</p> <p>Eastern music is something I know very little about, but I was under the impression that the majority of Chinese Classical music was transmitted by oral tradition, and not written down.</p> <p>You should let the dev team know of any more gaps in MuseScore's armoury for notating this music :)</p> </div> <div class="links"> <ul class="links"><li class="first last comment_forbidden"><span class="comment_forbidden"><a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/login?destination=comment%2Freply%2F13800%23comment-form">Login</a> or <a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/register?destination=comment%2Freply%2F13800%23comment-form">register</a> to post comments</span></li> </ul> </div> </div> <div class="indented"><a id="comment-47585"></a> <div class="comment odd"> <div class="commentTitle"> <a href="http://musescore.org/en/node/13800#comment-47585" class="active">Indeed, most Chinese</a> </div> <div class="submitted"> Submitted by <a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/25829" title="View user profile.">ryukeumheum</a> on November 24, 2011 - 3:21am. </div> <div class="content"> <p>Indeed, most Chinese Classical music was transmitted by oral tradtion. That's why most of them are lost. Only few works of very late date are left, besides some much older works are preserved as their Japanese versions. What a pity! What we can do now is merely to reconstruct some works based on several scarce ancient scores. Even these scores are not so reliable, since they are just inaccurate records--even the length of each note was not recorded!</p> </div> <div class="links"> <ul class="links"><li class="first last comment_forbidden"><span class="comment_forbidden"><a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/login?destination=comment%2Freply%2F13800%23comment-form">Login</a> or <a href="http://musescore.org/en/user/register?destination=comment%2Freply%2F13800%23comment-form">register</a> to post comments</span></li> </ul> </div> </div> </div></div></div></div></div></div></div> <a href="http://musescore.org/en/crss/node/13800" class="feed-icon"><img src="about_grace_notes_after_files/feed.png" alt="Syndicate content" title="Comments for "How can I create a grace note after a regular note?"" height="16" width="16"></a> </div>  <div id="sideBars-bg" style="width: 210px;"> <div id="sideBars" style="width: 210px;">   <div id="rightSidebar"> <div class="block block-search" id="block-search-0"> <h2 class="title"> 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